Chicago Area Car Salesman Now Unemployed Thanks to His Packers Necktie (UPDATED)

Pictured above, wearing a rather unfashionable Green Bay Packers necktie, is John Stone, a car salesman at Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn.  Rather, Stone is a former employee of Webb Chevrolet, after being unceremoniously fired for wearing that same tie to work on Monday, a day after the Packers beat the Bears in the NFC Championship.

Stone donned the Packers tie to honor his late grandmother, a huge Green Bay fan who died a mere two days before the championship game, and to show off his team pride following their win.  The 34-year-old says he’s been a fan of the team since he first saw former RB Ahman Green suit up for the Pack.

Stone’s boss, general manager Jerry Roberts, didn’t think the tie was appropriate attire for a dealership that spends $20,000 a month on advertising with the Bears, adding that by wearing the tie, his former employee was “salting the wounds” of the Chicago defeat.

When asked if Stone was fired because of his Packers necktie, Roberts answered “correct.”

According to Stone, no customer had complained about the supposedly offensive apparel, a claim which Roberts backs up.  Still, at 10:30 a.m. Roberts told Stone to remove the tie, a request that Stone initially thought was a joke…right up until he got canned for refusing to take it off.

“He said, ‘You have two options,’ ” a furious Stone said later Monday. “Remove the tie, or you’re fired.”

“When I didn’t, he said, ‘You can leave, you’re fired.’ Does that sound fair to you?”

Stone had been employed at the dealership for 1 1/2 months, and according to Roberts, the Packers fan was a damn good salesman, having sold 14 cars the previous month.  Roberts also said that he gave Stone five chances to remove the tie, but refused every time.

“If he loves the tie more than his job, he’s welcome to keep wearing it — elsewhere,” Roberts said.

Here’s my take on the whole thing—was the general manager being a tad petty in firing a guy for wearing a tie of your team’s arch-rival?  Yes.

Was he well within his rights to do it?  Yes.

Should Stone have removed the tie after being threatened with termination?  Absolutely.

Most jobs have a probationary period, usually three months, sometimes more, sometimes less.  It’s not unfathomable to think that Stone was still under this probationary period, so if your boss says take off your tie, you do it.  What you don’t do is risk your livelihood, especially when you’ve got two kids at home, over a stupid tie.  We get it Stone—you love your team.  Now lose the tie and sell some friggin’ cars.

That being said, the general manager of the dealership was, as I said, being a bit dickish in firing the guy for this.  The proper thing for both parties would be for Stone to apologize for wearing the Packers tie, promise not to wear it during football season, and for Roberts to give the man his job back.  That would be the logical and adult thing to do, don’t you think?

Then again, these are Bears and Packers fans we’re talking about here—logic and reason isn’t in their vocabulary.

[Chicago Breaking Sports]

UPDATE: Stone has been offered another job, a day after losing his sales job at Webb Chevrolet for wearing a Packers necktie.  Guy Cesario, general manager of Chevrolet of Homewood, offered the 34-year-old Stone a job at his dealership while watching Stone being interviewed on WGN.  All is right in the world.

 

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  • Dave

    If I was the salesman, I would get a lawyer and sue the hell of out of the GM and the dealership.

    In the meantime, he’ll probably get a few offers from Green Bay area dealerships who would love for him to wear the tie.

    By the way, there’s more to the story than was written. The tie was worn in honor of his grandmother who is/was a Packers fan.

    • Jac0607

      They’re in sales which is all about image, that’s why they’re making him wear a tie in the first place. Why would a dealership located in Chicago want to offend any potential customers? What’s he going to sue for, freedom of speech? You don’t always have freedom of speech when you’re at work. Should a manager at McDonalds allow one of his employees to wear a Burger King t-shirt? He made a poor choice and was given the opportunity to remove it.

      • metmo

        Trying to make a correlation with McDonalds/BK reference is apples to oranges. They are two brands in directly competition with each other. Maybe if he had been fired for wearing a Ford tie, that argument would stand up.

        I do agree that sales is about image though. But there is a fine line when making that argument. There are a lot of things that certain subsets of people in a geographic area may find offensive that wouldn’t be legitimate reasons for firing or not hiring someone, sue-worthy ones in fact. (Now that I’m saying he necessarily has grounds in this instance.) And by catering to their ridiculous whims of offense you merely enable the problem when they should just get over it.

      • GBgirl

        Really? Come on…”offend a customer” because of the tie, then said customer should get a life right along with the GM and stop being such whiners. If I went somewhere to buy a car and the guy was wearing a Bears tie, I would give him some crap but I wouldn’t “be offended” by the tie, thats just immature and point blank STUPID! Everyone has the right to support whatever team they chose to-

    • Ccalving

      You would sue and you would lose. Salesman business attire is a condition of employment and, since the business spends thousands on advertising and supporting the Bears, it’s not unreasonable any other team apparel should be removed. By the way, they did mention the tie was in honor of his grandmother, pay closer attention.

      • Common Sense

        There was nothing in the dealerships rules against wearing another teams ties, shirts, etc. In other words, no grounds for his firing. Why don’t you think before you type.

        • Dude

          The employer does not need to be specific about what defines businesslike attire in an employee manual. He can clarify at his discretion. The salesman was also clearly within a probationary employment period, during which he could be released without explanation at any time. Why is this concept so hard to understand?

        • Irony58

          In Illinois, employees are presumed to be “at will.” At-will employees may be terminated for any reason, so long as it’s not illegal. Managers can make up rules as they go. There are untouchable reasons, such as race, gender, religion, but clothes aren’t on that list. The dealership will win any lawsuit.

          I think the manager is a dick, though. A Green Bay tie is not going to stop me from buying a car. Just a fun thing to get conversation going. But the salesman is dumb. If the boss says change my shirt, I’ll go home and change my shirt. It’s only a freakin’ shirt, tie, shoes – whatever. If the boss is a dick, and I want to keep my job, I’ll do what the dick says. Maybe I’d look for another job in the meantime, but my first responsibility is to my family. Pride is way down the list of things to fight for.

  • Jhankins

    Since the writer of this article does not state anything about the dealership having any dress code the comment that the general manage is within his rights is absolutly wrong. If there is a policy then its content needs to be disclosed in order to determine if the GM was correct. I agree, take the clowns to court, isn’t the wearing of the tie “free speach” as the supreme court has redefined it, now really “freedom of expression”.

    • Feyd

      Freedom of speech or freedom of expression doesn’t apply here; the manager isn’t a legislative body, he was a private employer. The First Amendment protects people from having their right to expression supressed by law, not from being told that they can’t wear something to work by their manager.

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  • metmo

    Would he have been fired for wearing a Bears tie? Would he have even been asked to remove it? No. That is clearly the case because of the reason given for his firing. Not that it was too casual or inappropriate to wear a sports team tie to work, but the manager took exception to a particular team. It’s pretty sad that we live in a world where we can’t even be tolerant of that. Can’t be fired over gender, race, religion, sexual preference, etc. But watch what team you are a fan of. Ridiculous.

    • Rio_storm72

      Of course he wouldn’t have been fired wearing a Bears tie – they have a business relationship with the Bears. It wasn’t being fired for strictly being a fan of GB, it was because of the relationship the dealership had with the Bears that made it look shoddy to be wearing the winning team’s tie.

      Stupid? In a way, but on the business side of things…the GM was not wrong.

      • metmo

        Yes, they had a business relationship with the Bears. The gave the Bears revenue in ad sales. Not the other way around. They are the customer in the relationship. And the “rubbing salt in the wounds” reason kind of clinches what it was all about. No customers had complained about it. What if he had a Packer picture or pennant in his office/cubicle when others had Bears paraphernalia? Would he be fired over that?

        The manager is the one who created the issue by taking what could have been a very innocuous situation of a team tie and turning it into a huge deal.

        • IndPackFan

          I am from NW Indiana and not sure if Illinois is a right to work state or not, either way I doubt Mr Stone has any legal standing. For one thing I have heard he already has been hired by another dealership (a very astute move by the dealership if true) so his damages would be non-existent unless he can get punitive damages. Most, including the manager, are missing the point. Assuming all customers are Bears fans is pure fantasy. I moved here from WI in 1987 and always wear my Packers gear. I can tell you first hand there are A LOT of Packers fans that live in the Greater Chicago area, certainly a dealership as large as Webb has numerous customers that are Packers fans, even if the dealership does not know it. A Packers fan that walked in the dealership and saw Mr Stone wearing the tie would be more likely to buy. Anyone in sales know that a big part of the process is making a connection with the customer and developing a relationship. Some Bears fans that came in might like the moxie of the guy to be wearing the tie and engage for that reason. And if someone is offended they can just go over to one of the salesman wearing Bears gear and show that stupid Packers loving salesman their disdain by buying from the Bears loving salesman. Either way the dealership wins.

          On top of that probably 30-40% of the potential customers are neither Bears or Packers fans or not a fan of football at all. They may like the “rebel” attitude and be attracted to the salesman. If nothing else, it gets people talking, which is critical to the sales process. And if anyone thinks the Bears organization would end a business relationship because a salesman was wearing Packers gear, you are way off the mark. There is very little downside to the guy wearing the tie. The negative publicity makes this decision TOTALLY STUPID on balance.

          Did the manager have the right to require the salesman to remove the tie? Yah, he did. Was it a good business decision? Not in a million years. No way someone that is serious about buying a car is going to change their mind because one of the salesman was wearing a tie from the opposing team.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Sowell/1518402019 Carol Sowell

            Unless there was a dress code in place to which the salesman was informed of, the boss was wrong to fire him.

      • YAWGHMOOB

        THIS IS ALL WRONG ON THE PART OF THE GM. THE GM SHOULD BE FIRE, NOT THE SALE MAN. THE SALE MAN SHOULD TAKE THIS GM ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Sowell/1518402019 Carol Sowell

        He violated the man’s constitutional right of “Freedom of Speech.”

        • me

          the Constitution doesn’t apply here. this wasn’t the government telling someone that they can’t say something- it was one person who was all butt hurt that his team lost firing someone who was honoring his recently deceased grandmother by wearing the colors of her favorite team on his tie the day after they won a game that got them to the super bowl.

          • Siwa332

            The Constitution doesn’t apply here? Of course it does! The Consititution doesn’t apply to only Government actions. You must be a Tea Bagger.

          • IndPackFan

            Nice response, Siwa332. When you don’t agree with someone the best action is to call them derogatory names. I guess this is your version of the civility the Prez is calling for. How many more political offices have to be lost before progressives stop using that term? It only plays to people that already think like you anyway. People in the middle who are open to positions on either side are turned off by the repeated use of that term and turn away from the progressive position completely, even what may be valid. The Tea Party movement just sees it as a badge of honor at this point in time, much as we Packers fans embrace being Cheeseheads. Continue to use the term if you wish, it is only hurting your position. What is has to do with the position “me” posted on the Constitution completely escapes me, and probably most readers.

            Read my other posts and you will see that I do not agree with the decisions or actions of the dealership and/or manager, but this is not a Constitutional issue. Free speech does not cover everything you say or do in every case. Stop trying to argue it here and take it to a Constitutional expert and have them tell you. There may or may not be a legal issue, there can be reasonable discussion about that topic. Without knowing what the exact employment law is in Illinois, I cannot say for sure. In most states the actions the manager took would not be illegal, based on what we know happened. That doesn’t mean it was an intelligent thing to do or ethical thing, but that does not mean it is against the law or cause for legal recourse. If unethical behavior alone was a basis for legal action the courts would have cases stacked up from here to eternity.

            When you go to work for someone your employer has legal standing to require certain actions and behaviors from you when you are performing work/services for them or representing their interests. It has to be that way. Separate yourself from this particular incident and think what any workplace would be like if every employee was allowed to say, do, wear, act out, etc everything that they wanted to. It would be unworkable. They cannot require you to do something that is illegal or violate certain rights that you still retain. Free speech is not one of them. They also are limited in what they can require from you when you are not at work or representing their interests, particularly regarding free speech. Depending on the state employment laws there may be an issue of wrongful termination, but I doubt it. Civil rights violation, not a chance.

            Now, could the guy get a lawyer and file a suit and maybe get a settlement just to make it go away? Maybe, but that still doesn’t mean it was illegal, just that he played the system to get some money. As suggested by some others here could he play the race card and claim he was fired because he was black and the manager was white. Sure he could and they may settle with him just to get it to go away as the issue of racism is so polarizing that they may want to avoid having their name associated with the topic. I hope that he does not take that path unless there was actual racism, not the white man fires black man automatically equals racism formula.

            In the end, I think Mr Stone will do fine. He seems like a likable guy, able to sell cars and l0ves his family. The manager seems to have handled the situation badly, probably not the type of guy he wanted to work for anyway. Probably more to this story than just this one incident. With all the publicity that Mr Stone received on this it could turn out to be the best “bad” thing that ever happened to him.

    • mpasmith

      He was given options, several times, and refused the alternative option, and was warned several times if not removed he would be fired.

      He was given the choices, and knew that refusing the choice would result in termination. It was a simple decision on the employee’s part, he probably wasn’t expecting the manager to follow through with his threat.

      • Ssss

        what if your boss told you he didnt like the color of your shirt and to take it off or else? What would you do? Hmm

        • Asdf

          I would take it off… simple….

          • Common Sense

            then you are a moron. this guy will sue, and he will win. you can be fired for legitimate reasons. this is so obviously not a legitimate reason its not funny. How do you think Chevrolet likes the bad press one of its dealerships is getting? How do you think the owner likes the bad press? If I were that GM of the dealership I would be getting my resume ready because he may not survive the week.

          • Mktg76

            It IS a valid reason for termination. I have owned several small retail businesses and the rule is not to offend any customer. Wearing team jerseys or ties or any other overt signs of team support indicates that the business itself supports that team. Not a good idea in a business environment.

          • Nile_child

            it is NOT a valid reason for termination if it was not specifically outlined in the employee handbook. one cannot be terminated for any policy that was not provided to him/her at the time of employment.

          • metmo

            @Mktg7 – But the point was the GM took exception to one particular team. Not that it was a sports tie, but that it was a Packer tie. If someone wanted to wear a Bears tie it would be fine. Double standard

          • Me

            We can’t know for sure without seeing the handbook, but I find it highly unlikely that a handbook would say you can be fired only for reasons x, y and z and no other reasons. I have no idea whether it was a good business decision, but I’d bet a lot of money the employer was within its rights to fire Mr. Stone. (Then again, I’d have bet a lot of money the Patriots would win the Super Bowl!)

          • Joe

            So if I don’t like the bears and I came in and they were all wearing bears ties – then what?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Sowell/1518402019 Carol Sowell

            Go to the dealership that advertises for the Packers.

          • AsdasdA

            WRONG

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Sowell/1518402019 Carol Sowell

            Then a dress code should be in place and every new employee would have to be informed of that code prior to the hire.

          • Joe211

            Would you really? If you were told to go home and change your shirt because the GM didn’t like the color you would do that too? It’s the same idea.

          • mikeditka

            I wouldn’t…I wear a set of ‘nads.

      • JHKHdd12

        You obviously are not a bright individual…he shouldn’t have had to remove his tie in the first-place you knit-whit!

        • IndPackFan

          The word is “nitwit”. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black on the “bright individual” comment, isn’t it?

    • Joe

      It’s stupid point blank.. Had the Bears won I am sure the GM would have had fun rubbing it in the guys face that the Packers lost. It’s sports…not life and death, the GM is a sore loser and that is what it comes down to, he is mad because his team didn’t win. The dealership advertises with the Bears, the Bears don’t own the dealership, the man has a right to wear a tie of the team he supports. The GM has just proven that the Bears fan are just as big of whiners as the players themselves.
      GO PACK!

  • Muenster

    Grounds for a promotion if you ask me.

  • Torgo

    I have to side with the General Manager on this one. The dealership advertises with the Bears, hence there’s a business relationship there. The guy wearing the Packers tie is thumbing his nose at a business partner of the dealership – the Manager was right to tell the guy to take it off.

    • guest

      And if he wore a Bears tie (which sucks) he would have been kissing the managers ass.

  • KellerDave

    I hope he sues the idiot for wrongful termination.

    • Mike

      Unless there’s something in his contract that specifies the grounds on which he can be fired, it’s almost certainly the case that Stone doesn’t have a case for wrongful termination. He’s probably an employee-at-will, which means he can be fired for any reason (other than race, etc.) or no reason at all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Sowell/1518402019 Carol Sowell

        I still think it would be worth a visit to an atty for a consult about Freedom of Speech. If there was a strict dress code that was spelled out at the time of hire, it would make sense, but I would wager the only code requirement is a shirt and tie without any restriction of opposing sport teams ties.

    • mpasmith

      No grounds. Within probation period can be fired for any reason. Insubordination is certainly grounds for a dismissal in a probation period.

  • Jwl24

    He’s a car salesman in the Chicago region. He interfaces with potential customers. It was beyond stupid for him to wear a Packers tie and he should have taken it off. The guy was being both stupid for wearing something that could antagonize potential customers and insubordinate for refusing his manager’s legitimate request to take it off.

    lol at metmo – serioulsy, tolerance? The guy can root for whatever team he wants to root for, but when his job is to sell cars to a particular customer base, you don’t intentionally wear something that is likely to antagonize that customer base.

    lol at the idiots thinking the guy can succesfully sue over this.

    lol at anyone thinking this has anything to do with freedom of speech or freedom of expression.

    • guest

      lol at you for supporting something this stuipd. He works on a carlot, its been shown he made quite a few sales in a month, especially with the ecomony now. Its just showing what a sore looser men are over a football game. I love football and everyone has a choice. But to be fired is plain crazy, I hope this boss can sleep at night, at least he can feed his kids.

      • metmo

        The last I checked no article said no customer had complained. People take themselves too seriously. If it antagonized people – it would be reflected in his personal sales and they would have just asked for another salesperson. Give me a break.

        But the point is really moot anyway because diehard Bears fans wouldn’t be out buying cars that day anyway, having not recovered from their crying jag the previous night.

    • Common Sense

      I am an Oklahoma Sooner fan, my boss is an Oklahoma St fan. The Monday after we beat them I wore an OU shirt to work. I also wear an OU lanyard. I guess he could have fired me huh. He could, but I would own this business if he tried it.

      • okieccw

        If you work in Oklahoma, I hope you have a contract. Oklahoma’s an ‘at-will’ employment state.

        No contract and so long as he doesn’t violate the Oklahoma Worker’s Compensation laws, good luck owith trying to owning his business.

        http://www.okbar.org/public/brochures/emplbroc.htm

    • Ilove2travel

      “antagonize” “upset” really? Come on it’s a tie- if you are that sensitive over losing perhaps it’s time to up your meds. I live in GB and I can guarantee I’ve been in places where people I was doing business supported the other team, I didn’t run out crying in distress! that’s just plain out and out immature.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Sowell/1518402019 Carol Sowell

      Think about what the salesman said. His grandmother LOVED the packers and that team won. The grandmother died just TWO DAYS before the Packers won the championship and the salesman was honoring his grandmother! I believe that is why he made the decision to hold his line. It was a personal decision out of grief, which is a VERY powerful emotion. Maybe in a business sense it was not the best decision, but I can understand him doing it. I hope his next boss is a little more of a manager and not just a “boss.”

  • Ddub

    Another reason to never by Chevy products.

  • Cheesy

    What’s wrong with presenting a winning image? Why would you want to wear a loser Bears tie?
    Wonder if he would have been fired for wearing a Cutler tie?

  • old school

    I will never buy a chevrolet again……from any dealership!

    • Noydb

      Why? What the hell does this have to do with Chevy? It was a dealership issue, at the local level.

  • Chris

    All good points so far but I would have to take exception with a couple:

    1. Yes, the dealership advertised with the Bears so a business relationship exists. However, the dealership in this case is the client and they owe nothing except $$ to the Bears. If it were the other way around and it was the Bears who advertised with the dealership, then there would certainly be cause for complaint since the Bears could pull $20k in revenue from the dealership. This wasn’t the case so it’s a non-issue.

    2. I agree with JHanks that there must be a policy in place in order for the manager to take any action. In the workplace, rules need to be clear and predictable. Otherwise, it’s an arbitrary decision based on the personal feelings of the manager. One day he might decide that he doesn’t like the color red – should he be able to prevent anyone from wearing it?

    • subdork

      @ Chris

      1. 2: Must be a policy in place before the manager takes action? That’s ridiculous! There are so many situations that could arise at a business that you could never make a policy for each and every one. And how’s this for policy: “If an employee is insubordinate, he shall be terminated.” Without the ability to fire insubordinate employees, the manager would be unable to properly lead his employees. Doing something unnecessary that merely irritates your boss in and of itself is something that can be policed by a manager; otherwise empaloyees would be able to intentionally irritate their boss. A Packers tie in Chicago Bears land is also VERY LIKELY to upset the customer base. Could you imagine if a customer alerted the local media? And upset citizens decided to boycott the dealership? That manager would be deemed inept and probably fired for not doing something about it first.

      • Common Sense

        So if your boss says you have to go steal his ex wife’s car and you say no you would do it because you could be fired for insubordination? That is really what you think? Or what if he said you had to wear a dress? It is not illegal by law so you say it would be insubordination to not wear it? Man some of you people are just lap dogs for anyone who tells you to do something aren’t you?

  • sco

    Why would you want to work for that idiot anyway! There are probably plenty of dealerships out there to work at. Knowing this I wouldn’t buy a car from that dealership but yeah, he was within his rights to fire him…

    • Jimdon88

      I am guessing he is not the greatest employee in the world as well. On the job for a few weeks and already ignoring his boss. There is more to this story than meets the eye. His ego might be too big and I bet he was fired from his last job as well. Or if he quit there, what does that tell you.

  • Anonymous

    That’s harsh, but at least he wasn’t fired for being a mexarab: http://www.mexarab.com.

  • Ccaling

    It’s business. If I’m looking to buy anything that requires some thought (as a Seahawk fan), if the salesman is wearing a Stealer tie, I’m leaving. Plenty of other businesses out there with salespeople who are waering attire that doesn’t offend me. If I own a business in downtown Seattle and my salesman is wearing anything Stealers, wear that when you’re not on my time.

  • CopperHail

    His work policy is to wear a Tie to work. It does not specify what kind of tie. He even says when asked if Stone was fired because of his Packers necktie, Roberts answered “correct.” Way to screw yourself for the judge there Jerry!! Sounds like someone was a sore loser and couldnt handle his problems in a professional way.. instead he fires the guy.. that will fix the problem for sure!! Just shows how bad our country is getting that we cant even represent our favorite sports team without getting possibly fired by a Boss that supports a Rival team!

  • steve

    a lawyer will have fun with this one
    after it’s all said and done I hope he owns that dealership!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EYMJZSSBYUZ4KXLIXWZA6VFYHM Harleygrl

    “Jerry Roberts” is just as big an IDIOT now as he was back in the day. Jerr, you’re still a doosh.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EYMJZSSBYUZ4KXLIXWZA6VFYHM Harleygrl

    Roll over.

  • miguel

    This is great publicity for the dealership. Well done, manager. Got a lot of free advertising out of this one.

  • http://twitter.com/APetersonPT Andrew Peterson

    The bad press that this dealership is getting is 10000000000x worse than any harm this guy could have done by wearing the tie. Major fail on the manager’s part.
    How many people would the salesman have offended by wearing the tie? How many potential customers would he have been in contact with during th course of the day? 10? 15? Now the whole interwebs have blown up with this story. The dealership now has the image of employing managers who can’t handle being on the losing side of a football game and who strong-arm their employees. Would you buy a car from them now?

    • http://twitter.com/bobthehitman Derek

      How is this bad press in Chicago? It’s great press. I was cheering for the Packers and I think this guy is an idiot.

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  • Grixxly

    They better have a very clear dress code or this is a wrongful termination suit. Both parties are at fault for the escalation, but if I remember correctly Illinois is a right-to-work state and the termination was wrong.

  • Visitor

    The manager started out personal and crafted it in business that is one pathetic tactic to use. That manager is a pathetic human being and needs to be fired for his unprofessionalism. The DEALERSHIP has ties with the team NOT the EMPLOYEE. Not everybody in Chicago likes the Bears what the heck kinda leadership they got if a man gets fired for wearing a tie of his choosing. This is a free country got damnit not everybody in Chicago is a Bears fan!! The ties the DEALERSHIP has with the Bears is altogether different that has nothing to do with the EMPLOYEE. The Dealership gets paid, not the Employee that should be the basis of his lawsuit if he goes in that direction and I would that’s a discriminatory act that should be dealt. If the employee didn’t sign a contract with the Bears he is under no obligation to the Bears point blank. I know he could get hit with he disobeyed a direct order but if the attorney is good enough he could challenge that order because it has BIAS written all over it.

  • Guest

    The GM at the GM is a dick. I’m not guessing many General Motors vehicles will be sold in Wisconsin after this article makes its way up there.

    At least this guy wearing the tie didn’t choke on it, the way the Bears choked on it Sunday!

  • visitor

    And furthermore how many Car salesman drive cars they they sell? not too many. If they wanna get technical and things be fair on all levels they should fire every employee that don’t drive a Chevrolet as well they would be “within their rights” that’s why I say that sales manager is one pathetic human being for doing that!

  • senseisntcommon

    If this Chevy dealer gets me the best bang for my buck on the vehicle I’m looking for, I could give a damn if this guy was wearing a pink tutu. A friggin tie isn’t gonna send me packing because I don’t like it. Hell, if he saves me a thousand dollars I’ll buy him a Packer hat to go along with it!!

  • Please Move

    Too bad a guy lost his job in this economy, but, c’mon fella, wise up. It’s not like you were protesting a major political issue of the day or something that actually means something. You wore a hideous, meaningless, Packers tie. That being said, I live in Minnesota and am a lifelong Vikings fan (insert jokes here, I get it…) I am tired of all of the Packers fans who live here who go way overboard with Packers mailboxes, flags, flags on their cars, and idiotic beviour. Like them so much? Go back to Wisconia, don’t bother us with your singular obsession here. Or in Illinois. Keep your loudmouth asses in your own state, it it’s that important for you to show how big a Packer fan you are.

  • InthaHouse

    Dumb white folks!

  • Nunyabusiness

    I would of shot him for being a football fan first then popped another cap in his ass for being a monkey.

  • Cbars1947

    FIRE the GM for being too Stupid for position, why would anyone patronize this dealership. This article clearly highlights the ignorance level of the management.
    Good Luck Packers from the true NFC fans

  • Ziontaz

    Unbelievable!! People obviously care WAY too much about sports!! People need to get a life!!!

  • jnyc

    The manager should be fired and the employee rehired. The manager was being unprofessional, immature, petty and amateurish. We have too many of these idiots in this country and we have to get rid of them.

  • Doggitnh

    Unlawful discharge. No compnay policy on attire?This is freedom of expression. This guy should sue.

  • WWJJD

    He could be fired for anything not specifically protected by the law, i.e. race, color, religion, sex, etc. as it was an At-Will employment relationship.

    Quite simply put, it was a concern only due to this manager’s lack of fortitude. The manager fully admitted that he would have no problem with Stone wearing the tie on any other day as it was “pouring salt into his wounds.”

    There were no customer complaints and no employee issues.

    While there is no solid claim for Stone to stand on, he has enough to file and complaint and get a solid settlement as the dealership will not want the publicity of firing a black man on the South side for such a stupid reason. I also expect that the manager will be subsequently released for his poor judgment and improper handling of the situation.

    Finally, I love how the manager makes it appear the “business relationship” with the Bears was at issue. I can assure you, if this hadn’t become a story, the Bears would have continued to accept your $20,000/mo contribution for advertising. Now however, I would not be surprised to see the Bears pull the plug on their sponsorship, again, for firing a black man, who supports the NFL, for an inappropriate reason.

    But like I said, technically, no reason is needed at all for a dismissal here…

  • Ludiamondz

    Judgin from ppls opinion I can see that you rather bend over and do what your boss says even if its not work related then stand up for yourself. I fully understand times are hard and ppl are full of fear, scared of losin there jobs so they subdue there pride and just do what the boss says even if its not work related. Its sad to see so many ppl here justify something that was clearly wrong. Since when have ppl become like this? This was not a work related issue but a personal one. ANd if your family member died next time you think about honoring them make sure your boss is ok with it.

  • Ludiamondz

    I can feel the fear from IndPackFans, mpasmiths, Asdfs, Jwl24, Torgo and subdorks comments are full of fear. There just humans and we both know we are full of contradictions and dbl standards. ITs ok if they dont see it i am pointing it out to them now. You accept 1 tie but deny another…..Nice….Ive never seen so many ppl willing to sacrifice there soul. Ppl need to get over there fear of loss

    • IndPackFan

      You can “feel the fear” in my comments? What? I don’t think you actually read my post. What am I fearful of? All I said is the dealership most likely did not violate any laws by firing the guy. There is a difference between something being illegal versus immoral or unethical. I think it is stupid on many levels for the manager to fire him, but it is fairly certain he had the legal right to do it. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it is illegal. I don’t like it either, and I would not work for that company or that manager. That is the liberty we enjoy in this great republic.

  • jus1me

    Blaaaah, blaaaah, blah! Sue em’!

  • Fiveaces

    This guy is a tool. No wonder he sells cars for a living. Yeah buddy, you’re going to move up the ladder quickly by wearing that tie. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. And as far as your grandmother is concerned, she would probably prefer you stay employed than wear the tie.

    File under “DUH”.

  • Bill Tosh

    So if you’re a Green bay fan and wore your jersey and your cheese head hat to the game last Sunday you wouldn’t be allowed in. If he wore a Steelers tie to work would he of still been fired? don’t think so GM said
    that by wearing the tie, his former employee was “salting the wounds” of the Chicago defeat. Fire the GM

  • http://twitter.com/ArtisanKC Christian Brower

    Airlines and Disney have policies that state you cannot wear religious jewelry where it can be seen. That’s not an issue because it applies to all religious symbols. If the Chevy dealership had a policy that says you can’t wear apparel that has a logo of an organization that’s fine too. However you can’t just choose what is allowed and not allowed on the fly. Employers have every right to enforce a dress code but it has to be enforced evenly.

  • Toy4cannon

    The tricky part is that this dealership does advertise with the Bears so this can appear to be a conflict of interest. As a new employee, however, the salesman should have done as he was asked especially since he was given several chances to keep his job. In this economy I hope he has a plan B for future employment. It’s possible that the supervisor Roberts himself would have been canned if an employee was seen wearing a competitors’ tie.

  • Dfasldfljk

    I will NEVER buy a Chevrolet, or any other GM vehicle, because of this incident unless JERRY ROBERTS is the one who is terminated!

  • Greghooker

    How stupid. How ridiculous. What an a**hol* the manager is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6QN7CRAY5ZGNDCUWNMCFY7FMLY Jacknyd

    I;m not buying my new truck from them now, I was set to go there Thursday. I”ll buy from decent people not Aholes like this guy.

  • Anonymous

    The sales manager was probably within his rights to fire the guy but it does smell a bit. I would probably have taken the tie off and immediately began a job search. Once I had gotten another job, I would show up at Webb Chevrolet wearing the tie and a cheesehead. I would get in Robert’s face and tell him to take his job and shove it.

  • NotQuiteThereYet74632

    There he is..in all his douche-ness.

    http://www.webbchevroletoaklawn.com/MeetOurTeam

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Sowell/1518402019 Carol Sowell

    The boss is a first class jerk! If I lived in the area I would never consider purchasing a vehicle from
    that dealership. IMHO, the wearing of the tie comes under “Freedom of speech” and the boss just violated the salesman’s constitutional rights!

  • Uncle Dingus

    He’s an idiot.

  • Stlfence

    After he collects 1.5 years of unemployment that dude will sell a ton of toyotas in Green Bay.

  • Mac3162

    see if there are any bears or bears fans come to this guys defence

  • ogre

    Another infantile story — do something to get fired, then go crying to the media.

  • Mdunn

    should have been a time out called an a review of the play

  • Botighecatfan

    Good deal…fire the bastard packer fan.

 

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